HINDRAF Temple Demolition Appeal Seems Wrong
November 22, 2007
Do you know anything about Hindu Rights Action Force’s (HINDRAF) planned gathering to submit a memorandum to the British High Commission this Sunday, 25th November?
I was intrigued by this, and since I only knew some sketchy details, I decided to learn more about it.
Predictably, there wasn’t much government-owned media coverage except for the police threats of arrest towards anyone planning to join the gathering. The same threats for the Bersih gathering 2 weeks ago, if you can remember.
Some other coverage given was Samy Vellu’s response to this event, which you could guess was pretty negative. So much for trying the government-owned media for my enlightenment purposes. 
Anyway, I really wanted to read the contents of the memorandum that will be submitted to the High Commission. I searched around a couple of blogs and nothing concrete was found.
However, I found an appeal that was seemingly written by HINDRAF and lettered to Gordon Brown, the British PM. This appeal was apparently written in response to the temple demolition in Shah Alam on October 30th which I had blogged about as well.
Before I proceed, I feel a disclaimer is necessary. I doubt the authenticity of this appeal, whether it was really written by HINDRAF. I doubt it because the temple was demolished on October 30th, not 15th November as stated in the appeal.
I would rather comment on the actual HINDRAF memorandum, so if you have the actual text of the memorandum, please share if with us in your comments.
Nevertheless, I will reproduce the Mahaguru58-edited version of this appeal, because it’s easier to read with the spelling/grammar fixed. I have removed the list of people/organizations this appeal was cc-ed to, so look into Mahaguru58’s site for the full list.
Hindraf appeal to Gordon Brown to refer Malaysia to World Court (&) and International Criminal Court
HINDRAF
Hindu Rights Action Force
No. 135-3-A, Jalan Toman 7,
Kemayan Square,
70200 Seremban, Negeri Sembilan
Malaysia. Tel : 06-7672995/6
Fax: 06-7672997 Email waytha@hotmail.com15.11.2007
The Rt. Hon. Gordon Brown
Prime Minister of the United Kindom
10 Downing Street, Fax: +442079250918
London, URGENT
SW1A 2AADear Sirs,
RE: 1. COMMONWEALTH ETHNIC INDIAN PEACE LOVING SUBJECTS IN MALAYSIA PERSECUTED BY GOVERNMENT BACKED ISLAMIC EXTREMIST VIOLENT ARMED TERRORIST WHO LAUNCHED A PRE DAWN VIOLENT ARMED ATTACK AND DESTROYED THE KG JAWA MARIAMAN HINDU TEMPLE AT 4.00 A.M THIS MORNING (15.11.2007).
2. APPEAL FOR U.K TO MOVE EMERGENCY U.N RESOLUTION CONDEMNING “ETHNIC CLEANSING” IN MALAYSIA.
3. APPEAL TO REFER MALAYSIA TO THE WORLD COURT AND INTERNATIONAL CRIMINAL COURT FOR CRIMES AGAINST IT’S OWN ETHNIC MINORITY INDIANS.
We refer to the above critical matters in Malaysia but which generally gets the least attention locally even by the Opposition parties, NGO’s, the Malaysian Human Rights Commission and the media for this community is generally regarded as politically insignificant, do not draw local or international funding and are deemed not pressworthy. To the contrary the Malaysian government has successfully projected itself to the world as a modern Islamic thinking country which is not true.
The ethnic minority Indians in Malaysia were brought in to Malaysia by the British some 200 over years ago. Since independence in 1957 the Malaysian Indians have been permanently colonialised by the Islamic fundamentalist and Malay chauvinists UMNO led Malaysian government.
Among the recent atrocities committed by this government are as follows:-
1.100 over Indians were slashed and killed by the UMNO controlled Malaysian government in the Kampung Medan mini genocide. Despite numerous appeals, the Malaysian Human Rights Commission has refused to hold a Public Inquiry. The UMNO controlled Malaysian courts struck off a victim’s public interest civil suit for a Public Inquiry to be held without even the said UMNO controlled government having to file in their defence. The UMNO controlled Attorney General and the Inspector General of Police refused to investigate and / or initiate an inquest into the death of at least six Indians in this tragedy despite.
2. Every week one person at average is killed in a shot to kill policy and in every 2 weeks one person is killed in police custody. About 60% of these victims are Indians though they form only 8% of the Malaysian population.
3. In every three weeks one Hindu temple is demolished in Malaysia.
The latest being the demolishment of the Mariaman temple in Padang Jawa, Shah Alam, Selangor early this morning (15.11.2007) and the next being the (Mutaiya) Hindu temple in Sungai Petani scheduled for the 29.11.2007.
A violent armed pre down attack at 4.00a.m this morning was launched by the UMNO controlled Malaysian government backed by about 600 police, riot police, Islamic extremist and armed terrorists which completely destroyed this temple.
In an attack two weeks ago, uniformed police, riot police and city Council officers hurled rocks and attacked unarmed Hindu devotees with knives, sticks and iron rods.
At least 20 Hindu devotees were seriously injured and 19 arrested including 4 of their United Kingdom trained lawyers in direct violation of Article 5 (Right to life) Article 8 (Equality) Article 11 (Freedom of Religion) Section 295 (defiling a place of worship), Section 296 (disturbing a religious assembly), 298A(causing racial disharmony) and Section 441(criminal trespass) of the Malaysian Penal Code.
These authorities are plagued by an above the law mindset and in fact liberally take the law into their own hands. These atrocities however does not happen to almost all Islamic places of worship. Please visit www.policewatchmalaysia.com for further and better particulars.
4. State sponsored direct discrimination against the Indians in Public University intakes, Indian (Tamil) Schools, skills training institutes, civil service and private sector job opportunities, business and license opportunities and in almost all other aspects of daily life.
Despite our hundreds of letters, appeals and pleas to the Malaysian King and Sultans, the Prime Minister, Attorney General, Inspector General of Police, Ministers, Chief Ministers and the latest being our letters to the Prime Minister dated 29.10.2007 and 30.10.2007 and to the Attorney General dated 1.11.2007 the Malaysian authorities are only proceeding with greater ferocity and with impunity with very little regard for the Federal Constitution and laws of Malaysia. So please help us.
CONCLUSION
We fear that this peace loving Indian community of Tamil origin having been pushed to the corner and the persecution getting worse by the day may be forced to into terrorism in a matter of time as what has happened to the Sri Lankan Tamils.
APPEAL
On our part we are committed to a peaceful and lawful struggle and pray and appeal that the Government of the United Kingdom:-
1. Moves an emergency United Nations resolution condemning these state sponsored atrocities and persecutions of Malaysian Indians in Malaysia.
2. Refers Malaysia to the World Court and the International Criminal Court for Crimes against it’s own ethnic minority Indians
Thank You,
Yours Faithfully
P.Uthayakumar
Legal Adviser
013-3504711
What I gather from the appeal, was basically a cry for help by the Indian community to end racial discrimination against Indians.
As a Malaysian, I too would want to see the Kampung Medan incident to be investigated and not hushed-up and swept under the carpet.
As a Malaysian, I want to have a police force that protects me, and not shoot first, ask questions later.
As a Malaysian, I would like to see places of worship given their due respect. In the case of Hindu temple demolitions, I would like to see Hindu religious groups working together to solve the problems of Hindu temples built on land that was not registered to them. When there is a will, there will be a way.
As a Malaysian, I would like to see equal opportunity for all, regardless of color, gender, sexual orientation, or religion.
However, as a Malaysian, I find threats of violence and terrorism to be deplorable, therefore, I do not support the following statement in the appeal:
We fear that this peace loving Indian community of Tamil origin having been pushed to the corner and the persecution getting worse by the day may be forced to into terrorism in a matter of time as what has happened to the Sri Lankan Tamils.
I am not Indian. But I do believe the best bet for Indians in the near or far future is to vote for a government that deals with their citizens equally regardless their race or religion. Pinning your hopes on a political party like MIC to represent you is honestly foolish. In the long run, I dare say suicidal. Why? The matter of fact is, non-Malays make up the minority in this country, and will continue being the minority. There will come a day when the coalition partners in BN might deem the MIC redundant, signs of which you can see happening even today.
The time is NOW to discover and learn about other political parties that will honor and fight for your equal rights as a citizen of this country, regardless of race or religion.
Threatening terrorism on this country is reckless and dangerous. Use your votes wisely instead. It’s time to stop talking, and start thinking about your future, your children’s future, and not be fooled by short-term promises of prosperity and racial-protection by politicians. If you’ve got it, then make it your mission to educate the others who are still thinking in the short-term along the lines of racial protection.
I hope to see a day when our people can be proud of not just being Indian, Malay, or Chinese, but first and foremost, proud of being Malaysian. Whether or not we get to see such a day depends on us NOW, not later, not one week before the elections. Now.
This following article by Kavi is a recommended read: The Malaysian Indian Dilemma
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29 Responses to “HINDRAF Temple Demolition Appeal Seems Wrong”
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hmm nicely said. we must look at urself as Malaysians more often. sad n pity, only minorities are saying it more than often
November 22, 2007 at 1:07 pm
manhendran, you are right.
There has to be an effort by all minorities to start thinking as Malaysians first. The majority also has to drop the ketuanan mindset, and start seeing the minority as fellow Malaysians rather than outsiders.
The so-called social contract needs some reviewing.
November 22, 2007 at 1:17 pm
[...] for the oppressed. Hindraf in the past been rallying on many pressing issues – particularly on demolition of temples but it has fell on deaf ears and so now, they have taken one step further. This will be interesting [...]
November 22, 2007 at 7:12 pm
i received some even more disappointing e-mail attachment about the above and christian cross… what a sad nation we’re in.
November 22, 2007 at 9:24 pm
i think we wont be ruled in a divide and conquer way if we all stopped thinking as malay, chinese, indian etc (other minorities). start thinking as malaysians. and fight injustice as malaysians.
November 22, 2007 at 9:37 pm
zewt,
I will be blogging about the christian cross issue next. stay tuned.
pamina,
The reason divide and conquer works well is because of the “us vs. them” mentality that has been planted into our consciousness since young. So yes, we should start thinking as Malaysians and find a common cause to fight for.
November 23, 2007 at 12:33 am
The validity of the statements made in this appeal is questionable. I’m not impressed at all by merely stating vague statistical data without solid evidents being presented. It will confuse people.
We fear that this peace loving Indian community of Tamil origin having been pushed to the corner and the persecution getting worse by the day may be forced to into terrorism in a matter of time as what has happened to the Sri Lankan Tamils.
I agree with you. The above statement reeks of violence and hatred which can blemish the already fragile and tainted unity of the Malaysians. Resorting to violence is not the best way to solve anything at all! They don’t even love our precious country! If they have great concern for the country, they wouldn’t make such an ignorant statement. They only thought about themselves! I don’t entirely blame them for trying to appeal because the Malays are partly to blame and the Chinese also made demands to the government; so why can’t they too?
I strongly believe that both sides are at faults. The racial sentiments will keep on recurring and will never die because humans are never contented with what they’ve got. Every race feels that they are superior from the other. Unless they get rid of the feeling of superiority (which i doubt so), Malaysians can never live in peace without someone bringing up the racial issues. Of course it’s in human nature to uphold the dignity of their own race and strive so that only their race will be the best. It’s natural.
The Malays blamed the Chinese and Indians. The Chinese and Indians accused the Malays. It will go on and on. It will never cease. It’s because we are all human who are selfish and stray from the correct path of the God.
November 23, 2007 at 5:31 am
Hi Benjamin,
I think it’s ok to maintain the identity of race in a cultural context. If we didn’t have the diversity of races in Malaysia, we wouldn’t have been able to enjoy each other’s food. We wouldn’t be exposed to different religions or cultures and stay ignorant of other ppl’s sensitivities.
However, having race/religion in the government is the cause of the problem. We need a government that decides on all matters without taking into account race/religion, a government that sees us as Malaysians first, Malaysians second, Malaysians third. Only then will we find a common goal.
Government sponsored racism is the problem here, and that’s what needs to go. We should not blame each other.
November 23, 2007 at 11:41 am
A petition with 100,000 signatures to be presented to her Royal Highness the Queen of England to appoint her Majesty’s Queen Counsels to represent the poor, underclass, oppressed and suppressed Malaysian Indians WOULD NOT be presented at the British High Commission on 25 NOV 2007
Klaw: Hamzah, I don’t know where you get your sources but from what I have read, that is not true (as of 7pm Saturday).
November 24, 2007 at 10:53 am
the demolition is not to the said hindu temple only. a surau was also demolished. but the malays did not make real fuss of it. these surau and temple was built on the land which is not belong to them. and there do not want to back off somemore when they were told too. let’s put it this way. you have a piece of land somewhere, and suddenly, somehow, when you check you land, there were people building their house there, and they don’t want to move. are you happy? you will do anything to chase them out. once you get the order, and managed to chase them., would you keep the whatsoever building?
same case here. people cannot simply built anything on other people’s land and claimed it’s their’s. when anything happened, they are the first one that should be blamed.
if the indians really want to built a temple. go and buy their own land. they can built whatever they want. and stop blaming.
amir,
Sure, you’ve certainly got a point in the fact that the structures were not on land that belongs to them. However, none of the arguments from the temple demolishing episode claimed that the land belonged to them. That is not the point.
It was how they were evicted that points to a lack of understanding towards other’s religion and sensitivities. The malays not making a fuss of the surau being demolished has nothing to do with hindus/malaysians making a fuss out of a temple demolished.
Perhaps you should start asking, what would be your reaction if they demolished an actual mosque? Then investigate who pays for the cost of building mosques. Then find out how many state-sponsored temples or churches you have seen built lately.
November 25, 2007 at 1:24 pm
abselutely correct.are u will silent/sit in home when somebody is demolished your actual bigggg mosque in shah alam/anywhere in this MALAYsia??????mr.AMIR?
November 25, 2007 at 11:55 pm
FOR YOUR INFORMATION HAMZAH,TODAY ALL MALAYSIAN INDIANS ALREADY ATTEND INFRONT OF BRITISH HIGH COMMISSION WITH SILENT WITHOUT ANY WRONG ROUTE/GIULTY.BUT,HOW THE GOVERMENT(BN/UMNO)TREAT US?IT IS NOT GIULTY???BUT,AT LAST OUR MISSION WAS SUCCESSFUL.MALAYSIAN INDIAN PROVE THEIR UNITY WHICH 700,000 PEOPLE GATHER AT KLCC,BRITAIN EMBASSY&BATU CAVES.NOBODY WANT SAVE THE 700,000 INDIANSWHO WAS ATTACK BY POLICE,FRU(FT-1,FT-2&FT-3).MALAYSIA INDIANS CAN DO ANY THING FOR AGAINST THE STUPID GOVERMENT.UNDERSTAND!!!!!
November 26, 2007 at 12:10 am
hey Hindu … why so kecoh about your temple?? … ur religion asked u to commit something which is illegal … such as eracted a temple on illegal land??? … — removed —
Klaw: Let’s have a discussion, instead of posting racist comments. Thank you.
November 26, 2007 at 2:46 pm
Haha. I wonder which religion is that that ‘ask’ you to be rude. Hahaha.
November 26, 2007 at 3:03 pm
They want the goverment to abolish malay rights? Look here, when it comes to education, i strongly believe that the government should give scholarships to those outstanding students regardless of race. But to totally abolish malay rights, a malay like me will not sit quietly.
The demolition of temple, dont build temple illegally. Get a proper approval before you want to build temples. I dont care how many temples u want to build, but make sure u get the approvals first to avoid this kind of thing from happening. Sekarang sudah jadi, mau sakit hati buat apa.
Referring to Utahaya’s letter, why didnt he state the number of malays dead in kampung medan? And who started it first?
And his letter also mentioned government backed terrorist, what the hell is that? Since when we have terrorist? Why is he calling the muslim terrorist? So he wants to start tamil terrorsit group now?
Malays will not sit still. This is Malaysia. This is Tanah Melayu. U dont call it that name in the past for nothing. For sure it wasnt called Tanah Tamil.
Klaw:
Maria, I guess one of the reasons that we will never know what truly happened in Kampung Medan is because the government refuses to establish a royal commission of inquiry into the issue. Just like May 13th so many years ago, the issue has been swept under the carpet. With this in mind, who knows how many Malays or Indians were killed in the incident, and what were the circumstances that sparked the incident.
Rather than blindly defend the concept of Malay rights, perhaps you should examine which are the specific rights that you feel should be defended. Is the NEP a malay right, for example?
Looking forward to your response.
November 26, 2007 at 3:03 pm
mr. prakhash,
you seemed to not really understand the issue here. this is about a temple built on an illegal land. for instance, i don’t care about your huge temple in Batu Caves. that tempel is legal. and anybody should not touch it. i respect that. but not the one built in kg jawa. it is illegal at the first place, and should be treated as illegal. i don’t care who pay for the temple, how much it cost, how long it has been there. it was wrong at the first place. so you are the one to be blamed.
btw, regarding the example you gave on demolishing the Shah Alam mosque. FYI, that mosque is legal, and with all your respect, if such thing do happen, i am not hesistate to slash those who did it as much as i can afford to (which is depend on my luck
(really hope i can get that opportunity. :). peace. and take care of your self. ok?
November 26, 2007 at 7:31 pm
amir, prakash, others,
I do not hope to see this discussion degenerate into a “you vs. me” type of discussion.
Let’s avoid making unsubstantiated comments.
So far amir has stated the facts that the temple that was demolished was on illegal land. There is no doubting that legality. He sees this as a legal issue.
Meanwhile, I think prakash’s point on the temple demolition is more on the human side, whereby religious sensitivities were not given any thought to the demolition. I think he was trying to get amir to feel how he was feels when his place of worship, regardless of legality is destroyed.
My view on the temple demolishment is simple. The temple did not have any legal status. However, the high-handedness of the local council in carrying out the demolishing leaves much to be desired.
Everyone has different views on this issue. I think it best that we listen to each other, try to understand where each other is coming from, and in the end, if we can’t get our point through to the other person, we should just agree to disagree.
November 26, 2007 at 8:17 pm
this comment is based on my own experience and observation working and living in multiracial sector for more than 10 years.
i work in a multinational company up north which most of the international company here are dominated by chinese. to name a few (dexx, intxx, amx, jabxx, etc). those who are from here should know this. well, what i can say is, the indians are the minority of the malays here. my dept is having over 100 people, but only 4 malays and 3 indians around. but that is not the case when i visited our subcon company (solecxxxx). most of the staff are indians. and i found out later that the big boss is Indian. but being so long in this situation, i’m used to believe to one thing. People tend to stick to their own kind. In a chinese dominated world, malays and Indian are the minorities, In Malays dominated world, chinese and Indian are the minorities. In Indians dominated world, chinese and indians are the minorities. you won’t feel this so much in KL because i personally think, in KL, the population differences is not that much. It got me frustrated, but if the segregation of people continuing, there will always a minority in a different sector. i’m not saying it is a right thing to do, but this is what is happening.
however, i believe the main problem with the Indians lies within the Indians itself. to me, the indians are not helping the indians. take Chinese for e.g. they are minority here in malaysia, but they conquer more than 70% of the equity. their standard of living is much much higher than the malays and Indians. in summary, they are the rich guys. and i truly believe this is due to their good attitude of always supporting and helping each other. as we can see, they have a lot of dewan perniagaan la, ex-schools instituition bla..bla..bla who are helping their people. i always refered this kind of cooperation as the thing that we, malays, has to follow if we want to be success like them.
we, malays, do not really have this kind of attitude. not much yet. so we have to follow. but i think the Indians has the less. i agreed with Prof Khoo Kay Kim comment. he said that, the rich Indians do not helping the poor’s. if there is, it was too little. based on my experience, i can see that most (not all) successful Indians are arrogant, start to speak english and reluctant to converse in tamil even with their own Indians, and even i knew a guy who didn’t want people to call his Indian’s name. my wife is a medical staff in gov hosp. her boss is an Indian lady. her observation was, her boss was really reluctant to take indian specialist and it was very obvious that her boss was trying to minimise competition within the dept itself and protecting her own position. even this was what mentioned by her fellow senior Indian colleque. these are just a few first hand example i took. they were many more out there but i can’t put it here just because `my friend’s friend said..bla..bla..bla..’ kind of info. anyway, i know this comment hurts, but this situation is happening around you. if you don’t see it, it is only that you have not see them yet.
try to come out of the box, and see around.
November 27, 2007 at 10:38 am
I SHOW BRAVO FOR UTHAYA WHO HAVE THE COURAGE TO FIGHT FOR THE INDIANS. WE LIVING IN A MULTI RACE COUNTRY WHY DONT THE GOVERMENT GIVE 50% DISCOUNT FOR THE MALAYS AND NOT FOR THE INDIANS OR CHINESE OR OTHER RACES. IT SHOWS HOW WE INDIANS AND OTHRS RACES A TREAT IN 1ST PLACE .
Klaw: Shaz, I think you mean housing discounts that average 5%, not 50% right?
November 27, 2007 at 3:15 pm
Whtever amir has said is in a way true but but da big question is how to solve it? Can we truly be a democracy where race is never an issue and where everybody is treated equally in every aspect. For Malaysia it’s gonna be quite sumtime b4 tht can happen. The malays will never gave up their privilages bcoz in their mind this has always been their country b4 the migration of da chinese and da indians. Further more they are still left behind economically compared to da chinese. The comfortable level would only b achieved whn majority of malays are way better off thn the minority chinese. Even thn it is still questionable.
Still, there are hopes tht da next next generation will b more tolerant towards each other especially whn theres a lot more of communication between dem and with the internet, things are much more open.
For now the chance is to vote and make sure tht the BN is not more thn 2/3 majority so tht they cannot be governing dis country like they are doin now. We need the BEST people to do the job and who cares about color if EVERYBODY can live, work and enjoy dis beautiful country of ours. In some parts of da world they called our part of da world “paradise”. We should try to make it tht.
November 28, 2007 at 4:39 am
Creation of a race and the rights of a race and what this has to do with the Malays:
For some reasons, in a spark of brilliance, human beings were created to roam the vast lands on Earth. They divided themselves and gone farther as they could and stayed behind at the places they liked. On those places, they created their way of life and held authority.
And evidently, other group of strong and different people would take over the weaker ones and possessed the lands (through wars and migration). Even though, the successors would somehow assimilated the previous culture of the land that benefited themselves and enriched their own culture. Over evolutionary migrations, each group started to form similar traits due to environmental stresses and genetic cross-breeding that only happened on the lands and their boundaries. These similar traits helped them to recognize their identities and strengthened their ties. From here, the notion of a race was created.
The strongest ones would always maintain their racial cultures for ages like mainland Chinese people in China arc, mainland Indians in Indian arc, mainland Arabs in Arabian arc, mainland Europeans in Europian arc, mainland Malays in Malay arc, among other main groups.
Pressures would sure exist on these racial groups in the form of migration and war (as usual). Hence, to protect themselves, they will recognize their racial differences to set apart from other racial group through legislation and laws. This would be possible when they were the only group that owned and managed the lands. This crucial decisions could possibly be:
1) to become the only superior race of the land
2) to either recognize or not the other racial groups
3) to either give or not the other racial groups the rights in the terms set by the superior racial group
The outcome of these decisions may sound unfair but the racial rights are justified and priveleged in a relative term that beholds the ideals of the superior racial group that own the lands. Racial rights are not always human rights. Racial rights will always attach themselves to the lands and the rights to be on the lands as laid out by the superior group. Human rights will only fit the general terms of being a human, not a race.
In the context of Malaysia, the Malays (which are a combination of smaller same-bloodlines which include Melayu Bugis, Melayu Jawa, Melayu Batak, Melayu Minang, Melayu Sabah, Melayu Sarawak, Proto-Melayu, etc.) who are the superior racial group who owns the lands (Tanah Melayu, Sabah, Sarawak) before and after the colonial times, have the racial rights, as given by The Rulers, to give a shit about their lands as in Decision (1) and these racial rights should not be opposed by other racial groups as the Malays have deniably allowed them to live based on Decision (2) and (3). The Malays have not violate any human rights by giving these racial decisions since the other racial groups were and still live in peace and harmony despite some hiccups in the history of Malaysia. So, please open your mind to see what the Malays have done for you and move forward.
The current situation in Malaysia right now has nothing to do with the Malays in general as the Malays have decided long time ago on racial decisions (1), (2) and (3). But, it is due to stupid people on top who have no one to oppose/advise them in setting the racial rules as clear as possible when they are trying to create bangsa Malaysia. And, don’t stupidly blame the Malays when in fact they are exercising their racial rights in the similar ways what the Europians, Chinese, Indians, Arabs, etc. have done for their own lands. Only that, the Malays have started it quite late in this modern world when the rest have done that in the centuries of history.
November 28, 2007 at 1:52 pm
PLease bear in mind it is not only about 1 temple but numbers of it. Will you keep quite if the mosque is crushed down?Future more there is no scare of land in malaysia compare to singapore. So why breaking down the temple and tamil schools? Dont confuse surau with mosque.The rally was going on very smooth and according to a democratic country it should be allowed then why called it a democratic country when it is not. Why stop the rally and having road blocks? Are you afraid that the truth will be revealed? It is so clearly in the video showing the police is behaving more like a thug.
Can someone advise me why do we have quota system in education when the intelligent ones are being pushed out? This does not only stop here, sorry if i am going to be harsh here. Based on my experince in finding a job the chinese would prefer chinese speaking and the malays would prefer Malays so when do this minority indian go? Those with master graduates will be sitting in a customer service job only very few will be really doing wht they studied for based on recomendation on they dad or fame or relatives fame. Of course the blaming of chinese , indians and malays will go on. Try to ask the goverment to be equal to all……. Why giving discount to Bumiputera? What is the main reason ? Then why was there incident where the JAWI people are giving summons to the indian for displaying their god in the main entrance? Isn’t this a democratic country. But why can Malay pray 5 times a day and the speaker can tear our ears apart? We should compromise in these and couldn’t you all do the same.
Not only that we have to spend our money time and energy opening our own company when we need put the malay as a share holder????? WHYY??????? First of all get your fact right…. You are saying Malaysia belongs to Malay so why are we giving bonus to ASLI….. Because they are they real owner of the land….
November 29, 2007 at 10:45 am
Things are getting more transparent as times passes by. In 5 years time i believe things arent going to get better.Well looking at all the cover up’s and things getting more transparent…people arent dump.Well we dont have talk over american’s being cruel over iraq on the war.Look at what is going in our own country!!Maybe politician’s should start looking at themselves in mirror before throwing their words out.” action speaks louder than words” Wake up and start helping out the community!!
November 29, 2007 at 3:05 pm
i think. government should give indians rights to voice out their feeling, not to control them. and not only that, they must treat equally each religion. but in malaysia, not like that, everything for malay first then only for chinese and indians a bit only. where goes our rights ? as i know, malay people treats our as their workers even in school also.
November 30, 2007 at 12:16 pm
Read this article about Malaysian temples http://www.othermalaysia.org/content/view/52/65/
December 3, 2007 at 2:25 am
indans are supressed in Malaysia.Thres no doudbt about that…
December 5, 2007 at 12:09 am
as a indian i’m very proud of hindraf
December 5, 2007 at 3:23 am
To Maria,
1. This is Tanah Melayu and NOT Tanah Tamil. Ok. We Indians are PADI (Pendatang Dengan Izin). How about malays? Are u native of this country? The natives are the poor Orang Asli. So, this is neither Tanah Melayu nor Tanah Tamil BUT Tanah Orang Asli. Make sure u know yr ancestors’ history before commenting. Malays came to Malaysia from Patani, Indochina, Jawa, Borneo and other Indon islands. Can u deny that? So we all ‘tumpang’ in orang aslis’ TANAH.
2. Every Malaysian is to pay tax. But why only mosques, SK, SMK and other malay and muslim related buildings and things are being built/sponsored by malay lead government? Isn’t it unfair? Why every malay is given housing discount? For ex 20% at Siputeh area? You think house developers will bare the cost? They will pass this nonsense to non-malays. And is it HALAL for muslims to enjoy the discount without any effort BUT at the expense of non-muslims?
3. Our….err…no your Malaysia’s 1st RUKUNEGAR is “Kepercayaan kepada Tuhan”. They why your country’s leaders lead the mission to demolish “Rumah Tuhan?” What u all want us to believe in? To convert? Then every problem will be settled? No TQ. Look how muslims of different believes in Iraq attack each other. Sunnilah, Syiahlah, Qurdishlah, etc…
4. If u have anyone sitting for national exam next yr, pls notice their exam slip. For Indian and Chinese students, their race will be stated. But for malays, the bangsa is Bumiputra. Why is that? Is there such bangsa as bumi? I know this because I distribute exam slips to my students every year. And once one Malay student told his another malay friend “We are bumi. They are not” The Chinese and Indian students felt the pain and complained to me. This is what I replied “further your studies overseas. Don’t come back. Settle down there”. For your information, without Chinese and Indians, your country couldn’t have developed to this level. Indians cleared the jungles in this tanah of orang asli, grew rubber, made railway and road from north to south, etc. Where were Malays at that time? And without Chinese there wouldn’t be any town in this country. If Chinese bring out the money from this country, Malaysia won’t be like Srilanka BUT Afghanistan. Thank us for our presence which gives u comfortable life. If you don’t know to appreciate our contrinution to YOUR(?) country, at least do not hurt our feelings.
December 5, 2007 at 11:54 am
Please have some dignity. Malays are living in a world of fantasy, enjoying cheaper housing on the expense of non-malays, education in boarding schools since Form 1, easier entrance to universities, depriving scholarships for non-malays. All these despite the fact that everyone pays tax. It is difficult to build a temple or church but as long as you have a few < REMOVED >, a surau is a must. < REMOVED >!!
December 21, 2007 at 4:45 pm